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June 15, 2012 at 7:48 am #1006233
Terry_42
KeymasterKeep your active collection small with quality tunes. The rest for me is instinctive, where since I went digital it is more easy. Before I started remembering what was where by looking at either the markers on the vinyl or when I heard the first few bars through the headphones. Now with digital most of the time I look at the waveform and the cue points I had set and go from there, as it all springs to mind rather rapidly.
Knowing what sort of acapellas, instrumentals and other remixes you can mix together is another cup of tea and most of the time I just throw in the instrumental I want to rock and then remember what goes over there and if not… improvise heheJune 15, 2012 at 9:10 am #1006236Rodders
MemberIt’s a good point Chris, especially considering the influx and availability of digital tunes versus buying a few 12″s every week. I think what Terry 42 said above about looking at the waveform and cue points is a great idea. If you can understand what you’re looking at in the waveform, you can look at an entire track and know ‘ok so this is the intro, then a beat kicks in here, then it all comes in, then there’s the breakdown, then it’s all full-on’ etc. And also most (not all!) dance music follows a fairly straight formula, you know, 16/32 bar sections. So technically speaking you can probably mix most tracks of a similar genre together and (this for me is a crucial point) providing they’re in key, you could make it work, without knowing the tracks inside out. At a most basic (or lazy!) level you just know that the last section of one track (16 / 32 bars) is probably a good time to start the beginning of another, and work your magic with EQs.
The trick then when you’re practising is to find those tracks or those sections of a track that really complement each other. You might flick through a track and be immediately taken by the breakdown, or the chorus, or an acapella part. You then don’t need to know the whole track, just single that bit out, loop it, sample deck, whatever.
Finally, think about how you structure your crate and how you label your tracks. Personally I structure my crates according to genre and wherever possible rename my tracks to include the key, that way I know immediately if the tracks have a good chance of working together, regardless of how well I know them. Of course, it helps if you understand a little about keys / harmony to make this work.
June 15, 2012 at 9:11 am #1006237Steelo
ParticipantBack in the vinyl days I got to know my tunes really well cause it was too expensive to buy more than a few records each week but now there’s so much music it can get harder. I used to know what tune it was from hearing just the first snare or kick of the track. I’ve started using the comments section in Traktor to take notes of anything I may need to know or suggestions for what to mix it with.
With a bit of knowledge about music structure and using your common sense you can usually assess on-the-fly what to do next.June 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm #1006254backtothefront
ParticipantFor me the visual aspect of vinyl, both the sleeve and the record itself, really helped to ‘memorise’ the audio. I think also as others have said, it’s very easy and cheap to acquire a lot of music in the digital age with no real tangible, physical element to it, making it harder to remember.
June 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm #1006258Steelo
Participantbacktothefront, post: 22194, member: 1433 wrote: For me the visual aspect of vinyl, both the sleeve and the record itself, really helped to ‘memorise’ the audio. I think also as others have said, it’s very easy and cheap to acquire a lot of music in the digital age with no real tangible, physical element to it, making it harder to remember.
Damn I miss vinyl shopping! Its so nice to have something tangible with the music on it too.
June 16, 2012 at 5:37 am #1006283Reason808
ParticipantThere’s a little voice in the back of my head . . . . “If I can’t remember the song, is it even worth playing?'”
June 16, 2012 at 9:28 am #1006287Jahit Halil
ParticipantThis is one of the many new challenges ive aşlo experienced since switching over from vinyl, all of the above tips are great such as cue points etc but in all honesty its a smaller leaner more stricter musical listening/buying policy. Also if your not djing proffesionally its even more difficult because you only have yourself as a critic. İ have thousands of LP,s in addition to my newly aquired digital tracks over the last 2 years, about 200 or so which is very little. Maybe 1-2 new tracks per week on average. İ also dip into my vast vinyl collection once in a while, and add one of those in occasionally. But İ try and keep my dj crate as lean as possible, İ also make sure to give myself plenty of listening time throughout the week whenever possible. İ still believe track knowlegde and selection is more important than mixing so İ try to divide my time accordingly. But thats just me.
June 17, 2012 at 3:30 am #1006327DarioJ
MemberAlso 1st time poster, but I’d like to chime in on this as I have just gotten through this process. I’ll mostly be reiterating what others have said, but I’d like to add:
-Cut the fat out of your current playlist/songs: I have an “Inactive Collection” folder for old/unused songs and an “Active” folder for tunes that don’t get played much. There is a lot of fluff at the beginning and end of songs, cut it out.
-Set cues and loops: Try and give a good listen to your new tunes as soon as you buy them. I think this is the best time to set your cues and loops as your ears are fresh to these tracks and you just purchased them for a reason right? Setting your cues and loops in strategic places, along with the waveform, will help you figure out your phrasing.
-Quality > Quantity: Before buying new tracks make sure to take a run through your current collection. Do NOT buy tracks on the day you find them. Let them age in your box for a day or two. Maybe look through different genres on different days. Make sure you like what you’re hearing and if at all possible look up the tune on youtube.
-Use the comments section: I just started using this in TP2.5 and its really helping. I’ll put notes or do a genre list that helps me learn what the track is or what it sounds like before even clicking on it.
June 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm #1006371Chris Webb
ParticipantSome great responses there, cheers guys.
I agree that the absence of the ‘physical’ aspect of a tune i.e. the vinyl itself and the cover art, minimal as these things could be at times does make things much more difficult.
I’m experimenting with the use of the comments field, and I’m trying to set up basic ‘reference’ cue points (Rolling bassline starts / Filtered vocal – that sort of thing) so I’ll see how that goes.
I’m also going to restrict my purchasing, but it’s difficult at the moment because I’ve just got back into EDM properly since I started playing with Traktor, and I’m having a ball! 🙂
One final question – does anyone here use Trainspotter, and if so how have you got it set up and do you use it ‘live’ to search for tracks?
June 29, 2012 at 7:04 am #1006887Phil Morse
KeymasterI’m going to post this on the main site this Sunday, as it’s a great discussion with some valuable input from Terry_42, Rodders, Steelo, DarioJ and everyone else above – thanks guys!
June 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm #1006915J-Zed
ParticipantFor me, I spend a lot of time in my car (about 2 hours a day during the week) so I listen to all my new music in there. Pretty good sound system too so I hear the full range of the track. Doing this every single day, I get really familiar with my tunes really quickly.
I also get to listen to music at work too, even if I’m not focusing on it I eventually get really familiar with the tracks. I don’t play with cue points in my traktor yet, I just have a knack for really remembering tracks. If only I had the same memory back in school.
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