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June 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm #1006121
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ParticipantIMO, it’s just a trend. Right now mainstream music is more like it was back in the 80s, everything is flashy and neon. Give it a few years and it will change again, it’s just a cycle.
As for “Could Richie Hawtin, the one dissenting voice in the Wall Street Journal article, possibly have been right when he said that it will be the big money spinners who draw the next generation of kids to the cooler side of electronic music”
I keep saying this, he’s 100% right. The people who actually want more out of music will make their way out of the pop world and into the underground, the rest will move onto whatever the next big thing in pop is. No big dealJune 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm #1006123Miec
MemberShort answer: No. America is not killing dance music.
In fact, I doubt that the developments in the States had much impact on the electronic music scene outside of the US. The only “evidence” in the Article, that there’s some effect is his Sander Van Doorn anecdote and I don’t see how is representative at all. Things might be different for other regions and genres, but from a house music perspective in Europe, things are not nearly as bad as they might seem… in fact there are some exciting things happening right now.
Take for Instance Resident Advisor’s Interview with Solomun about his Diynamic Residency in Ibiza. I highly recommend reading the whole interview, but here are some of the most interesting quotes:
About Ibiza:
“I was not so into the Ibiza thing, to be honest. I had only played one or two times the last three years there, and I didn’t find it so interesting. […] Last Year I was playing [at Sankeys], and it was not finished. [But] I was very impressed because I had a feeling it was the very frist club in Ibiza that I saw that was more like an underground club. It’s also, for me, a very fresh club. It [really] opens this year – not last year. So we thought this could fit together, these two new brands on the island.”
About lots of “underground” people doing things there this year:
“Yeah, the word I heard last weekend the most on Ibiza was “change”. A lot of different people asked me if I can play this year and looking around you can see that there are so many new things happening now. We are not the only ones who are doing something new here.”
About having Lucy Pearl’s 80s Track Don’t mess with my man in his Watergate Mix:
“Yeah, it’s a mainstream pop track, but I Know sometimes when you drop it in the right time in a set that people go crazy. Nowadays I have a feeling you have more space. You can feel free to do that. It’s not like before – a couple of years ago or longer – where you have to check, ‘Oh, I’m not able to play more than two tracks with vocals…’ “Also I think that Americans have got that festival thing all wrong. At least whit Electronic Music. This might have to do something with the American “clubbing culture” (If you want to call it like that), that Richie Hawtin criticized recently. It’s not like that there aren’t any examples of EDM festivals that manage to combine Mainstream with Underground. The best example is probably Belgium’s Tomorrowland where the Big Artists play prime-time shows on the Mainstage while underground labels showcase their talent on smaller stages around that. In the best case, People new to EDM decide to visit a festival like that for the main acts and then get dragged deeper into the fascinating world that is Electronic Music. And Tomorrowland is not that special in Europe, if you check out Barcelona’s Sónar or Melt! in Germany.
Again, I don’t know how the situation is in other parts of the world, but for Europe I don’t really see a threat for dance music culture.
June 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm #1006130D-Jam
ParticipantTo me, this explosion is no different than the many times it’s happened in the past.
- Disco in the late 70s
- House in 1990-1991
- Euro in 1994
- Big Beat in the late 90s
- Trance from 1999-2002
- Euro again in 2001-2003
- Electro-House
Usual story over and over. I agree agree with the comment Guetta made in that for the longest time, too many DJs and scenesters wanted to keep EDM to themselves…thus it turned off most normal people.
I’m sure by next summer we’ll see stories of fests not happening that happened this year, and some new non-dance music taking over the clubs…with DJs complaining how America doesn’t seem to ever like “good dance music”.
We might even see Skrillex’s or Guetta’s 15 min of fame dry up.
June 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm #21926Jahit Halil
ParticipantMy answer is no…its always been this way…the underground will always be the underground and the mainstream will be the mainstream…and at times they overlap……this should be accepted as we are and dance music is part of a capitalist system that relies on creativity and cross-fertilization, sometimes results are bad and sometimes they are great, its about longevity, the ‘underground’ has endured and it will continue to do so…..
June 13, 2012 at 9:57 pm #1006142Steelo
ParticipantEDM is still in its infancy in the US. Its exploding now because there wasn’t really as much of a scene there (with a few exceptions such as Detroit Techno). Its just the next big thing but as D-Jam stated above, it will come and go. If more people are listening to dance music then thats a good thing, as far as I’m concerned, even if the quality isn’t so high. To be honest, the US will never “control” EDM…Europe will always be the leader. Lets not forget that the vast majority of superstar DJs such as Guetta, Tiesto, SHM etc are all European. Just because a lacklustre music scene is exploding in the US, it doesn’t mean it will ruin the scene everywhere else.
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