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  • #1005798

    Fairly new DJ myself, but what I have learned is part of being a great DJ is being able to read the crowd and play tracks that they will respond to.

    My biggest fear in recording a premade track would be the crowd not responding to it as they would switching to a different genre or losing the ability to drop in something with a catchy hook to bring them back in.

    Outside of that quite a few DJs I know have mixes made that they play early in the night as the room fills up.

    #1005800
    twicx
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    Yeah I raised that point too. He was fairly adamant that in that case, he could swap out tracks easily, or just switch to mixing live. Thing is, I can see both sides to the argument.

    #1005803
    Arthur Kokanov
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    There is actually already a topic about this. Look through it and i think you will find some very useful stuff.

    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/forum/threads/do-you-know-any-djs-who-dont-mix.3959/

    #1005805
    D-Jam
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    You all should try out the new Remix Decks in Trakor. It’s like a more solid melding of the DAW thinking with live DJ/performance.

    I agree with the notion. In the real world, there is a tiny percentile of non-DJs who really care. Most of the angst/controversy on sync, Live, etc…is from DJs.

    I am a personal fan of playing live, but I think it’s not a bad thing to make “megamixes” the way this guy was alluding to. Back when things were only vinyl you would see stuff like that. DJ remix services like X-Mix would include megamixes in their volumes.

    I also agree on the time management thing. This is one big reason why I keep my live beatmatching skills sharp. It’s a lot of time to beatmap and tweak up tunes like that, when you can just show up and play when you do things life. I use sync, but I simply go manual when sync fails. I simply want to spend my time seeking out new music as opposed to prepping music to play.

    It’s the same reason why I stopped producing when I tried. I found myself spending loads of time to make one track and I’d lose interest…wanting to make a new mix instead. I just decided I’d rather not get famous or known, but do what I love in DJing instead.

    In my book there is no completely right or wrong way in DJing…the only decider is the crowd. It’s like gladiators. You win the crowd, and you rule the scene.

    #1005806
    Mike Check
    Member

    Producer/DJ’s that write their own songs, such as your friend, tend to have a slightly different view of live performance. The line gets blurry with titles anymore but these producers tend to see themselves as more original musicians and DJ’ing as a necessity for live performance. In other words if you were in an original rock band you’re going to play your set of songs that you wrote, maybe you’ll switch up the order or throw in a cover song but you’re still not deviating much from that piece of paper taped to the floor….. even if the crowd isn’t digging it. Now I’m sure someone would say a DJ should read the crowd and adapt but that’s where these individuals will fall back on my original point that they view themselves more as original musicians & not DJ’s.

    #1005808
    twicx
    Member

    @Manhattan – Thanks for that. I’ll go have a good look through now. 🙂

    @D-Jam – It sounds like you completely understand where I/he is coming from. I’m not to familiar with these megamixes, but that friend of mine has really made me think about playing live. It makes a lot of sense, but, as you said, win the crowd, rule the scene. I was always a firm believer that playing live is 90% song selection, 10% performance.

    @Mike Check – Awesome username by the way. I think it kinda depends on what your style of DJing/performing is. He does very heavy dubstep, so, when he plays live, it’s advertised as a dubstep night, and people who go to it mostly have an interest in dubstep. They’d rather hear awesome original tunes and grade A remixes, than care about how it’s mixed. The other friend of mine that was there plays a pretty good selection of house. He tends to do the odd remix of current chart songs that people will recognise more, but his mixing live is absolutely spot on. I’m going down the route of electrohouse. So i’ve got one or two remixes of charty songs, but they tend to be the acapella over some mixed about electrohouse song, like “you got the love acapella” with Wolfgang Gartner’s The Champ. With the remixes I do, I make them separately in ableton, render that track, and then in my dj session, just mix in the track. After talking to this buddy of mine, having them as separate acapella and song tracks/channels would actually be better live, as it would allow me to filter/effects on the song or the acapella.

    I can really see both sides to the argument.

    #1005822
    synthet1c
    Member

    the same unwritten rules don’t apply to producers, they make the stuff that makes everyone move… if they want they can do something regular dj can’t do, which is modify the track live, if they wan’t a section enlargened or shorter ableton makes it very easy to do, they can also tweek synths and effects live which brings a whole new level of performance… It sounds like the perfect solution to play your songs with well known songs short of bridging serato, rewiring your daw into vdj or torq or hacking in traktor using jack and the midi clock.

    If I produced that is what I would do and stay busy, but I have never been able to make something I’m happy with so prefer to keep my ears tuned in to the mix and myself busy with beatmatching. For me sync takes a lot of the fun out of it and i guess it’s like smoking I like to keep my hands and mind busy.

    #1005824
    twicx
    Member

    hahahah! That sounds like a seriously advanced solution for someone as new as me, but at least you’re not like other forums where they just go catatonic at your opinions and ideas.

    I’d be tempted to give it a go. Just once.

    #1005866
    Shishdisma
    Member

    I’m not really sure what you mean by “too advanced,” isn’t that kind of what you’re doing already? You’re an Ableton user, but you don’t use any of the production or performance horsepower Ableton offers? What was the point of buying Live then? A production set is usually played “MPC style,” with a long string of flexible sequences comprised of a ton of various tracks, all triggered and looping as designated, but with each sequence having it’s own characteristics, forming a “pattern.” There’s also mini clip launching, but that’s more of a song/mashup tool than a flexible performance option.

    To answer your question, I don’t really understand the point of making a prerecorded set and tweaking it, when in fact doing that is way more of a pain in the ass then just stringing the sequences and patterns live.

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