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  • #1003602
    ADHDJ
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    There is always someone doing something worse/half assed/not real than you, and there is always someone who thinks the same about you from their perspective.

    With that said I totally get what you are saying.

    Now let’s ask why do you care? You might care because you work your ass off to be a good dj, and worry that someone else might think that this other guy is on your level?

    The most important thing is the energy and good times people have from the experience that you give them. So one way to solve this would be to explain how all the extra things you do that another dj doesn’t do, adds to their experience and makes you a true professional.

    #1003603
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    More than anything i just want other peoples opinion on the matter as our crew and myself all mix different genres but we all work very hard when we DJ and we are landing tons of gigs and shows because we do create a ton of energy in our mixes. I am always doing something tweaking my EQs searching for the next track…making samples on the fly etc.

    #18761

    Mind you, I am an amateur, but what is wrong with letting a track play through? Nobody I’ve come across wants to hear just 32 bars of a track, or only the main vocals, and then hear another song. People want something to latch onto when they’re dancing and listening and if you have music ADD as a DJ, it’s hard for them to focus and get into the right trance-like state of mind. I like letting a track completely play out because it gives me easier, yet more creative mixing opportunities such as messing with a high-pass filter, or dropping an echo-freeze all while seamlessly transitioning. Again, not bashing, I just don’t actually understand where you’re coming from and would love if someone could help me understand because I’m new and obviously still learning. Cheers!

    #1003604
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    The reason why i think its basic to just let a song play out is…if i wanted to hear that song i can play that song at home or just have a playlist of songs and not even DJ. In my view, i think its about letting people hear what they want…but making it different, adding drums, synths effectively to create additional aptmosphere. Mind you this has to be done correctly or else it can sound like garbage…having it so your songs are in harmony, in phase etc.

    I will often use a very popular song at the time and just give them little hints of it here and there like 32 beats of the hook vocals or whatever…then 2 or 3 songs down the line Drop it in…or ill do the opposite and play that banging tune…and bring the vocal hook back in 2 or 3 songs down the line.

    Its just about doing something different and creating energy…With todays day and age…EVERYONE has the same music if they spin the same genre…and everyone can hear that song being played. Espicially with controllers these days a lot of the time consuming work has been done for you with phase meters(traktor) and beat ticks(serato).

    I will post a mix tonight when i am home to show exactly what i am talking about.

    As well I am talking about spinning in a Club…not doing Podcasts or Radio shows…I think with Radio Shows and Podcasts it is perfectly acceptable to do intro/outro mixing as you are usually playing new material that you want people to listen to and hear the whole song.

    #18766
    Dj EarGazm
    Member

    Hee Won Jung, post: 18864, member: 948 wrote: The reason why i think its basic to just let a song play out is…if i wanted to hear that song i can play that song at home or just have a playlist of songs and not even DJ. In my view, i think its about letting people hear what they want…but making it different, adding drums, synths effectively to create additional aptmosphere.

    It is interesting that you say that. When mixing its all about keeping people happy. After all you don’t DJ to hear what you want to hear. It’s all about what they want to hear. I have been to clubs, bars, ect and heard a DJ mix a song with their own flare and sound completely different. To us it sounds great but when I looked out to the dance floor no one was dancing. That was because the song was so changed that they did not recognize it. then I have head a DJ just play through a song and people are on the floor loving it because they know what they are hearing. It kills me to say this but when I am Doing a set depending on the music I am playing I will mix accordingly. I have gone and played the song through with a “basic” mix but the crowd loves it. There is nothing I hate more then hearing a DJ just play an entire song after entire song. I do agree that it is a little boring, but it can be annoying to the crowd when they hear a song they love and the DJ cuts it short to the next song.

    #18767
    Dj EarGazm
    Member

    Hee Won Jung, post: 18864, member: 948 wrote: The reason why i think its basic to just let a song play out is…if i wanted to hear that song i can play that song at home or just have a playlist of songs and not even DJ. In my view, i think its about letting people hear what they want…but making it different, adding drums, synths effectively to create additional aptmosphere. Mind you this has to be done correctly or else it can sound like garbage…having it so your songs are in harmony, in phase etc.

    I will often use a very popular song at the time and just give them little hints of it here and there like 32 beats of the hook vocals or whatever…then 2 or 3 songs down the line Drop it in…or ill do the opposite and play that banging tune…and bring the vocal hook back in 2 or 3 songs down the line.

    Its just about doing something different and creating energy…With todays day and age…EVERYONE has the same music if they spin the same genre…and everyone can hear that song being played. Espicially with controllers these days a lot of the time consuming work has been done for you with phase meters(traktor) and beat ticks(serato).

    It is interesting that you say that. When mixing its all about keeping people happy. After all you don’t DJ to hear what you want to hear. It’s all about what they want to hear. I have been to clubs, bars, ect and heard a DJ mix a song with their own flare and sound completely different. To us it sounds great but when I looked out to the dance floor no one was dancing. That was because the song was so changed that they did not recognize it. then I have head a DJ just play through a song and people are on the floor loving it because they know what they are hearing. It kills me to say this but when I am Doing a set depending on the music I am playing I will mix accordingly. I have gone and played the song through with a “basic” mix but the crowd loves it. There is nothing I hate more then hearing a DJ just play an entire song after entire song. I do agree that it is a little boring, but it can be annoying to the crowd when they hear a song they love and the DJ cuts it short to the next song.

    #18774
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    You bring up some really good points…and for the most part i totally agree with you.
    The only point that i would have to disagree is the

    “I have been to clubs, bars, ect and heard a DJ mix a song with their own flare and sound completely different. To us it sounds great but when I looked out to the dance floor no one was dancing. That was because the song was so changed that they did not recognize it. then I have head a DJ just play through a song and people are on the floor loving it because they know what they are hearing”

    With todays day and age for any “Popular” song in any genre there are a ton of remixes chopping the original song up.

    Hell You could probably even play a 2 hour set of just LEVELS remixes…not that anyone would…or even should lol but its out there.

    The Crowd is a very fickle thing…you can play the exact same set with the exact same crowd on 2 different nights and have 2 TOTALLY different reactions to it.

    Its kinda sad to say…but when i first got into the EDM scene and culture it was all about the “Mix” and these days it seems its all about the “song”

    DJs back in the 90s and early 2000s imo are a lot different than they are today…Back then they were not only playing music but they were educating the crowd and making them dance…today…we really are nothing more than glorifed jukeboxes i guess.

    #1003607
    Dj EarGazm
    Member

    As bad as that sounds, most DJ’s do make us look like glorified jukeboxes

    #18776
    Todd Oddity
    Participant

    Hee Won Jung, post: 18876, member: 948 wrote: The Crowd is a very fickle thing…you can play the exact same set with the exact same crowd on 2 different nights and have 2 TOTALLY different reactions to it.

    Exactly this.

    In my opinion, it’s all about recognising what you can get away with on any given night. Some nights you can stir things up a little more and the crowd will eat it up, other nights they aren’t as energetic and you end up having to play it safer.

    I agree that I hate letting entire songs play out – I get very jittery about half way through, and pull-my-skin-off nuts by two-thirds of the way, but sometimes I get a lame crowd who aren’t even cool with remixes, and then it’s just best to ride out the tracks and wait for the end to come.

    #18780
    ellgieff
    Member

    Do yourself a favour. Google the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy. It’s what you’re doing here.

    DJing is playing recorded music for other people’s entertainment. That’s all it is. It’s all it’s ever been. The “you’re not a real DJ because: you don’t play vinyl / don’t play in clubs / don’t produce your own music (I’ve seen this said. srs)” is rubbish, please stop doing it.

    You can add all sorts of other requirements to yourself – so you’re free to think you’re not a real DJ because of some mystical thing that you don’t have. It’s not OK to put that on other people.

    See also: Digital DJ hate.

    #18782
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    ummmm…this has nothing to do with playing on what medium or in what venue or producing your own music…
    And im not putting any requirements on anyone…this is just a discussion based on observation, and i wanted other peoples opinion on it.

    Please stick to the topic at hand.

    #18784
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Depends on the song and the crowd reaction. If i’m killing a dancefloor with Use Somebody (Armin van Buuren Rework) or some other song with a highly intense mid-late track like hell i’m going to kill it while that’s pumping even if it takes it almost to the end.

    I definitely agree about giving a taster of a track some 6-7 minutes before you actually drop it though, that’s a great trick.

    #18785
    MikeFixx
    Participant

    Can you link to some mixes that you’ve done? Curious to see the style differences. Heard a DJ in Vegas slam pop songs/remixes all night. No greater than 1.5 to 2 minutes of any track and the dancefloor never did build and he actually got booed a few times.

    #18787
    ellgieff
    Member

    Hee Won Jung, post: 18884, member: 948 wrote: ummmm…this has nothing to do with playing on what medium or in what venue or producing your own music…
    And im not putting any requirements on anyone…this is just a discussion based on observation, and i wanted other peoples opinion on it.

    Please stick to the topic at hand.

    I am sticking to the topic at hand. You’re saying “I don’t think he’s a real DJ, because he doesn’t mix like me”. I’m pointing out that this is analogous to the people who say “I don’t think he’s a real DJ, because he uses a MIDI controller”. It’s garbage when they do it, and it’s garbage here.
    As a personal preference, I don’t like “30 tunes in an hour” mixes. That doesn’t mean you’re not a DJ because you mix that way – it means just that I have a different preference.

    It probably also means that we play different styles of music – I’m guessing you play a lot of remixes of commercially successful tunes where “mix in, Verse, Bridge, Chorus, mix out” works?

    DJ’s _are_ glorified jukeboxes. Get over it.

    #18788
    Hee Won Jung
    Participant

    Lol I do not play commercial music I play everything from house, breaks, nu-disco funky house disco house fidget electro/complextro, dubstep, dnb, and when the venue calls for it I will play top40 remixes.

    I will post some mixes when I get home.

    On a side note see the bottom of my OP? It asked an I wrong here….asking what other pps opinion is. Seriously why r u taking this so personally? Jeebus

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